Re: [linuxiran] Gecko in Konqueror?

[Aryan Ameri]

On Wednesday 09 July 2003 23:00, Hooman Baradaran wrote:
> > Why are you looking for binary packages. You can simply get it and
> > compile it. Give it a try dude!
>
> I could, but with Mandrake I can easily get all RPMs and their
> requirements automatically using urpmi so I don't like to compile
> unless I really have to. Luckily I found the RPMS for kdebindings
> from Texstar of PCLinuxOnline :)


So are you now able to use Gecko as Konqueror's engine?


> Unfortunately as far as compatibility is concerned nothing can beat
> IE. Fortunately (from my experience) this lack of compatibly is
> mostly with effects and not so important stuff.

Well, if only web developers start to care about W3C standards, and 
start underestanding that they shouldn't verify their pages for browser 
X, and browser Y, and instead should verify their html and CSS code 
against W3C validator, then things would have been alright. 
Unfortunately most web developers (my instructor in university 
included) do not underestand why standards matter, and why somone 
shouldn't develop browser dependent web pages.


> And BTW since you mentioned IE, I noticed we have IE 4 on
> university's Sun OS systems. But when I searched for "IE for
> Linux/Unix" I was redirected to all sort of anti-unix pages from
> Microsoft! 

M$ once upon a time offered IE for Unix. The last version was IE 4. It 
was available from http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp

IE for Unix was developed in the days that Netscape was still the 
dominant browser and Microsoft badly wanted to compete with it. Since 
Netscape had a Unix (and a Linux) version, M$ also was forced to 
develop IE for Unix. However, they stopped developing IE for Unix years 
ago, when IE (illegaly) won the browser war. 

And BTW, that IE for Unix thing never worked on Linux. It was a binary, 
made for HP and Sun RISC based architectures. It never worked on Linux 
on IA-32 (which I assume is your architecutre).

> Wish I could still access IE in Linux 


If you realy need IE that bad, you can run IE 5.5 using Wine. I once 
tried it just for fun, and it worked perfectly well and stable (more 
stable that IE on Windows). IE 6.0 still doesn't work using Wine, but 
that really doesn't matter as for compatibility with legacy web pages, 
IE 5.5 should be more than enough.

> untill others
> specially KHTML improve!

Hey! There is nothing wrong with KHTML or Gecko. They support far more 
standards than IE does. The problem is with those stupid developers who 
use IE-only and non-standard tags. My homepage 
http://students.emu.edu.tr/029918/ is a perfect example of a fine web 
site, with valid html and CSS code. The web site only uses valid html 
tags, and is 100% validated according to W3C standards. Safari, 
Konqueror and all Gecko based browsers perfectly show my web site. 
However no version of IE for windows (even version 6) is able to show 
my homepage properly. simply because IE lacks support of many 
standards.

Microsoft's tactics are now known to everyone. Embrace a standard, then 
partialy implement it, then infect it with windows-only things, then go 
out and use terms such as *industry standard* in your marketing 
campaigns.

They did it with their (funny) implementation of POSIX in NT 4.0 

They hijacked Java, added windows-specific things to it, then released 
it as being Java compiant.

They wanted to hijack the internet by making sure that all web pages 
only show in their non-standard proprietary browser.


They did it with their CSS implementation in IE

With Unicode implementation in Windows

with XML implementation in Office 2003 (to be released)

.....

OK, the list is too long.

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Aryan Ameri