Re: [linuxiran] GCC How to

[Aryan Ameri]

Hi there:

I am not going to defend myself, though I got bashed really bad. Some 
like Kaveh only politely reminded me that I was rude, and it is better 
if I become more tolerable. Some like Amin, well, were ruder than me.

But, the point is, aside from the two Arash(es) which generaly supported 
my idea, I beleive everybody else misunderestood me. I didn't want to 
sound rude, I am not unfriendly towards newibies; I only pointed out 
that there are things that one should do before asking a question from 
a ML. Amin, people usually don't respond to a RTFM the way you did. My 
message was a simple RTFM, it was only a good RTFM because in it I also 
mentioned where to look for the answer.

Mehdi (The OP), please tell me which one is easier? typing "man gcc" on 
the console? Or sending a message to the ML? 

I am not gonna continue this, because Eric Raymond has already written 
the perfect thing, regarding how to ask questions: Here is a part of 
ESR's essay: 


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The first thing to understand is that hackers actually like hard 
problems and good, thought-provoking questions about them. If we 
didn't, we wouldn't be here. If you give us an interesting question to 
chew on we'll be grateful to you; good questions are a stimulus and a 
gift. Good questions help us develop our understanding, and often 
reveal problems we might not have noticed or thought about otherwise. 
Among hackers, "Good question!" is a strong and sincere compliment.

Despite this, hackers have a reputation for meeting simple questions 
with what looks like hostility or arrogance. It sometimes looks like 
we're reflexively rude to newbies and the ignorant. But this isn't 
really true.

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What we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be 
unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking questions. 
People like that are time sinks — they take without giving back, they 
waste time we could have spent on another question more interesting and 
another person more worthy of an answer. We call people like this 
"losers" (and for historical reasons we sometimes spell it "lusers").

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We realize that there are many people who just want to use the software 
we write, and have no interest in learning technical details. For most 
people, a computer is merely a tool, a means to an end; they have more 
important things to do and lives to live. We acknowledge that, and 
don't expect everyone to take an interest in the technical matters that 
fascinate us. Nevertheless, our style of answering questions is tuned 
for people who do take such an interest and are willing to be active 
participants in problem-solving. That's not going to change. Nor should 
it; if it did, we would become less effective at the things we do best.

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For those who haven't already read "How To Ask Smart Questions" by ESR, 
please do so by going to http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Cheers

On Tuesday 29 July 2003 00:43, Kaveh wrote:

> Dear aryan were you somewhat of tired when your where
> answering, the quetions about:
>
> "I'm new to gcc.Please introduce me a URL about gcc
> and give me some usefull options to compile simple C
> file."
>
>
>
> You are one of the best sources for quetions in this
> mailing list and as an iranian in a country that the
> software usage have some very bad customes, you and me
> and others all together must be more toleratable to
> users. specialy for new commer from that very bad
> $indow$ non-community.
> We are preparing a place for users to find any answer
> for their questions, and talk about this community,
>
> whatsoever, your answer was nearly complete as ever
> but I must add these sources for the asked quetion:
>
> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/1999-11n/msg00319.html
> http://galton.uchicago.edu/~gosset/Compdocs/gcc.html
> and a vary good frer book:
> www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/
>
>
> At last, dear aryan please talk from your side, I may
> have no job to do more important than answering this
> quetion, it is about 2:15AM what can I do now!? :)=
> (I must add that, = sign is my tongue streched out
> completely ;) )
>
> Thank you, All you dear friends, specialy dear aryan,

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him in an alley and beat him to death.
                --Doom Ihl' Varia */
Aryan Ameri