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Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden)
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Mike Solomon |
Subject: |
Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden) |
Date: |
Wed, 5 Feb 2020 19:26:59 +0000 |
On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote:
> I recognize that Mike Solomon has a different opinion. I mean no
disrespect to
> Mike, Janek, Han-Wen, or any other member of the LilyPond team. I
highly value
> the team spirit of the LilyPond team.
>Well said. Here's the current tally as I understand it:
>For: Han-Wen, Janek, Mike, Urs, Werner
>Against: Carl, Dan, David K., Trevor
>Mixed: David N.
Mike, you asked,
> What are the blockers to making a decision about this patch?
> Does it need more discussion or more buy in?
>5-4 halfway through the first day doesn't look like buy-in to me.
That's a really good point and I see where Carl and David N are coming from. It
seems like a Code of Conduct is not a good fit at this time. More people in the
community would need to come around to the idea for it to work.
Maybe what I'll do is touch base in a few months and see if any opinions have
changed, including of course my own. In the meantime, I would encourage people
to reflect on LilyPond's shrinking number of contributions and developers and
consider if a lack of a code of conduct could be one of the reasons it is
difficult to grow. As a benchmark, one good place to look is the Contributors
Covenant website. There is a list of communities that have implemented it. Ask
the maintainers how they feel about it, cite the concerns brought up here, and
ask if they feel it could, from their outsider perspective, be helpful for
LilyPond. I know that, personally, I have really appreciated the code of
conduct in projects that I have contributed to since leaving LilyPond
development. I have also appreciated the relative ideological and demographic
diversity of those projects, which has introduced me to perspectives about race
and gender that are lacking in the LilyPond community.
It could of course also be the case that people are happy with the status quo
in LilyPond, in which case it (or other things to grow the community in size
and inclusivity) are not necessary. I personally am saddened by my own leaving,
the leaving of others, the lack of growth and the lack of diversity, and this
is one proposal to start changing it, but I understand the objections.
~Mike
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), (continued)
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), karlinhigh, 2020/02/04
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), jonas . hahnfeld, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), jonas . hahnfeld, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), nine . fierce . ballads, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), david . nalesnik, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), nine . fierce . ballads, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden),
Mike Solomon <=
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Carl Sorensen, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Janek Warchoł, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Thomas Morley, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), David Nalesnik, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), David Kastrup, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Thomas Morley, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Karlin High, 2020/02/05
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Kieren MacMillan, 2020/02/06
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Janek Warchoł, 2020/02/06
- Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden), Han-Wen Nienhuys, 2020/02/07