Re: [Savannah-hackers] Re: Help wanted (sysadmin work)

[Yaroslav Klyukin]

Sylvain Beucler wrote:

> GNU/Linux betters reflects what the operating system is. If RedHat
> calls its distribution Linux, it is improper.

Good. That's what I was saying. Linux is not the proper name, because it 
does not reflect the true meaning of what RedHat did. It's their OS.

> for developers. As a beginning CS student, it took me a while before to
> discover GNU programs were in my system (and even longer to understand
> the origins of this "RedHat Linux"). And of course, nothing mentioned
> what was free software. I seldom discovered some "This is free

Well, this is exactly what RedHat and others want!
They don't want people to know that this software is free, because they 
want people to buy it!
That's why they call it "Opensource".

> As for the GNU/Linux|FreeBSD thing, do not forget that you do not
> simply make an OS just by putting together pieces of software developed
> independently. These pieces of software has to be glued together. A
> point of GNU is that all programs are designed to stick together, hence
> why it is not a bunch of tools, but an OS, IMHO.

I disagree with that. A set of tools designed to work togather - are a 
set of tools. It does not make them an OS.
An OS - is an independent environment that you can obtain as a whole in 
one logical piece, install without any additional software and use.

For instance Debian GNU/Linux - is an OS.
Xfree86 window system - is not, despite that there are tonns of programs 
that are glued to it and work togather as one.

> Of course, I am a free software developer, a GNU fan, I think in my
> own head, and I do not try to put myself in the head of somebody else.

On the contrary, I ask other people's opinions to find the right option 
for myself. The more discussion - the fuller the overview of the 
subject. I am not afraid to discuss topics, which some people may not 
like, in order to decide for myself - what's right for me.

> Now, make me a favor and do not reply to all this mess I wrote, and
> just tell us what exactly you do not understand about GNU/Linux.

Well, it's too late. I have started to reply already. Sorry.
You are right. This discussion does not lead to anything.
I will try to avoid this topic in the future.
I think it would be more productive to discuss the subject.
What are the tasks, which I can perform in order to help at 
savannah.gnu.org?