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Re: [GNUe] Re: GNUe (was 'What's up?')

From: Silas Martinez
Subject: Re: [GNUe] Re: GNUe (was 'What's up?')
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:08:41 -0800
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I'm going to add yet another voice. Without all the inline comments, I'll say that I've heard my exact sentiments said several times today.

Get me a functional baseline, with a 'start here', and just enough pointers to get started, and I'll start building. Otherwise, I can't take time from other projects and put it into this. :(

Philip Rhoades wrote:


Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:42:06 -0500
From: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [GNUe] Re: GNUe (was 'What's up?')
To: address@hidden
Message-ID: <address@hidden>

My experience is similar.

I've been watching for about a year now, and think the concept of the
project is sound (which is why I'm watching).

Me too.

My first experiences trying to set something up with GNUe was not
favorable.  There was no clear path to setup the "minimal try-me"
configuration and see what was there.  At the time, I just considered
immature, and decided to hang back and see how things proceeded.

Me too.

from a mild flame war about a convention, this list has been pretty


My acessment of the situation is that this is a huge undertaking,

I think so too.

understaffed.  There are interesting dribbles of work all over the
but closure seems to be a problem, and the package seems to be  melting

down under it's own weight.

I would like to see a straightforward path to go from ground zero to
database forms that takes less than a page to describe, and gets you

Me too.

This might exist, but 1/2 day milling through what I had to
with didn't yield it, so there seems to be a problem somewhere.

This architecture is an onion, and the inner layers haven't  solidified

enough to build on top of it, and results aren't coming fast enough  to

maintain the momentum.  There could be lots of work going on behind
scenes, but it isn't getting closure.

In reality, if I want to incorporate this package into my development
life, I'm going to want to start small, and see how far it can go.

Me too.

me small, and we'll talk about dreamware when small is solid.

I think this is a good idea, but it needs a little CPR.  I think to
attract the forces that are going to get it to critical mass, it  needs
do something demostrably useful right out of the box, and submit that
until that happens, the casual browser is going to keep right on

But I'll put my time where my mouth is.  I don't know any of the
developers of this package per se, but if this goal is considered
by the powers that be, I would be willing to spend some time cleaning
and documenting the "getting started" process, including a meaningful
excercise to convince a "buyer" that this thing works.

Me too.

Sorry about the boring comments, just thought I should add some weight to the previous comments by adding another person with similar experiences.



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